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	<title>Comments on: Aggressive &#8220;Air&#8221; Out Of Position</title>
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		<title>By: Giovanni Sepe (writer)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni Sepe (writer)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you collected a great pot, and that&#039;s the important.

anyway..i wouldnt check on the turn and  i wouldnt call the opponent&#039;s bet, cause just calling you cant guess anything about your opponent&#039;s hand, i think there is &quot;raise or fold&quot;

after the call on the turn, betting on the river was the only way to get the pot, so it was risky, but profitable too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you collected a great pot, and that&#8217;s the important.</p>
<p>anyway..i wouldnt check on the turn and  i wouldnt call the opponent&#8217;s bet, cause just calling you cant guess anything about your opponent&#8217;s hand, i think there is &#8220;raise or fold&#8221;</p>
<p>after the call on the turn, betting on the river was the only way to get the pot, so it was risky, but profitable too.</p>
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		<title>By: Marios (Administrator)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marios (Administrator)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Pre-flop&lt;/strong&gt;

I 3bet hit because I think he has a wide range raising first in on the button.

&lt;strong&gt;Flop&lt;/strong&gt;

If I check here he is going to place a continuation bet most of the times (because of the dry board) and then my options are: a) call and then be out of position in the same situation on the next street, b) fold, and I don&#039;t like folding so easily to this type of players, espesially when I am the aggressor, c) check-raise, but I think it is not the best play here for a lot of reasons.

So... I decided to bet first in a dry board to take the control of the situation.

&lt;strong&gt;Turn&lt;/strong&gt;

I have a gutshot, two over-cards and a &quot;fake&quot; flush draw. If i bet I am afraid of a raise, so I decide to check and see what is he going to do. He bets and I call because I have a lot of scary cards to come in my opinion and I don&#039;t think he has hit something that beats the hands I am trying to show I have. If he has a draw (the one I am trying to use) he is going to check there and see the next card.

The King on the river is an expected card for me. I don&#039;t want to check or call of course and I decide to bet 1/3 of the pot because in the short time I have to decide I believe it is a solid amount to pay, trying to steal the pot in relation with the times he is gonna take my pants and my money!

I have to add here that we were both deep enough and the guy is not a holdem-no-foldem player.

&lt;em&gt;Sorry for being -again- late to reply... I have an excuse... Christmas!!&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Pre-flop</strong></p>
<p>I 3bet hit because I think he has a wide range raising first in on the button.</p>
<p><strong>Flop</strong></p>
<p>If I check here he is going to place a continuation bet most of the times (because of the dry board) and then my options are: a) call and then be out of position in the same situation on the next street, b) fold, and I don&#8217;t like folding so easily to this type of players, espesially when I am the aggressor, c) check-raise, but I think it is not the best play here for a lot of reasons.</p>
<p>So&#8230; I decided to bet first in a dry board to take the control of the situation.</p>
<p><strong>Turn</strong></p>
<p>I have a gutshot, two over-cards and a &#8220;fake&#8221; flush draw. If i bet I am afraid of a raise, so I decide to check and see what is he going to do. He bets and I call because I have a lot of scary cards to come in my opinion and I don&#8217;t think he has hit something that beats the hands I am trying to show I have. If he has a draw (the one I am trying to use) he is going to check there and see the next card.</p>
<p>The King on the river is an expected card for me. I don&#8217;t want to check or call of course and I decide to bet 1/3 of the pot because in the short time I have to decide I believe it is a solid amount to pay, trying to steal the pot in relation with the times he is gonna take my pants and my money!</p>
<p>I have to add here that we were both deep enough and the guy is not a holdem-no-foldem player.</p>
<p><em>Sorry for being -again- late to reply&#8230; I have an excuse&#8230; Christmas!!</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Shupac (Fellow Poker Player)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy Shupac (Fellow Poker Player)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, this hand is kind of sketchy and maybe a little bit spew.I really put him here on 87 spades .He pairs on the flop and floats a pair to re-evaluate turn, and turns really good card.Thats the only hand that would do that I think, or pair of 7s with flush draw on turn or 89o.Really crazy as a spade hits the river.So he must have had 89o lol.

I agree here with JimD as its a good move if your setting up a bluff c/c turn to bluff river.But you almost need a perfect river card to set this up.What would you do if it was a 2s

Mario what was you reasoning for c/c turn??It seemed like to set up a bluff&gt;&gt; or was it just instinct??

what was your reason for a bluff here???Villians line seems to take a floaty/bluff line here.I think you polarize your range here to high PP and bluffs on the river, so I would call you down a lot lighter if I was villian&gt;&gt;What do you think??Share this hand with us MArio on your thought process??.

Also I would love to post some weird 3-bet pot hands here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, this hand is kind of sketchy and maybe a little bit spew.I really put him here on 87 spades .He pairs on the flop and floats a pair to re-evaluate turn, and turns really good card.Thats the only hand that would do that I think, or pair of 7s with flush draw on turn or 89o.Really crazy as a spade hits the river.So he must have had 89o lol.</p>
<p>I agree here with JimD as its a good move if your setting up a bluff c/c turn to bluff river.But you almost need a perfect river card to set this up.What would you do if it was a 2s</p>
<p>Mario what was you reasoning for c/c turn??It seemed like to set up a bluff&gt;&gt; or was it just instinct??</p>
<p>what was your reason for a bluff here???Villians line seems to take a floaty/bluff line here.I think you polarize your range here to high PP and bluffs on the river, so I would call you down a lot lighter if I was villian&gt;&gt;What do you think??Share this hand with us MArio on your thought process??.</p>
<p>Also I would love to post some weird 3-bet pot hands here.</p>
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		<title>By: JimD</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what I have to say about the hand...

I think the turn offered great info as to what was going on.  I think it was clear on the turn that he did not think you had much of a hand. In fact I am pretty sure he put you on 2 big cards. I think that he felt he could get you off of any 2 big cards with a bet on the turn.  Usually, I think he would be right...but he is playing against our hero Marios.

Marios, if you felt this same way maybe calling the turn with the intention of bluffing the river is a good move.  I think it is risky because that King on the river, while it is a good card for you to bluff at, it also is a card that is very much in his range.  

I still don&#039;t like the hand overall.  Maybe I am too conservitive but it just seems too risky.  I don&#039;t really want to play a big hand with AJ oop.  I understand that you 3bet him pre-flop as a bluff, but I dont like turning a decent hand (AJ) into a bluffing hand pre-flop.  I think you could have still won the hand with a similar betting pattern without the 3bet pre-flop.  This makes the pot size much much smaller (which I like) and does not have you risking a ton of money only to lose to hands like KQ, KJ, K9, or even AK (it is still in his range).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what I have to say about the hand&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the turn offered great info as to what was going on.  I think it was clear on the turn that he did not think you had much of a hand. In fact I am pretty sure he put you on 2 big cards. I think that he felt he could get you off of any 2 big cards with a bet on the turn.  Usually, I think he would be right&#8230;but he is playing against our hero Marios.</p>
<p>Marios, if you felt this same way maybe calling the turn with the intention of bluffing the river is a good move.  I think it is risky because that King on the river, while it is a good card for you to bluff at, it also is a card that is very much in his range.  </p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t like the hand overall.  Maybe I am too conservitive but it just seems too risky.  I don&#8217;t really want to play a big hand with AJ oop.  I understand that you 3bet him pre-flop as a bluff, but I dont like turning a decent hand (AJ) into a bluffing hand pre-flop.  I think you could have still won the hand with a similar betting pattern without the 3bet pre-flop.  This makes the pot size much much smaller (which I like) and does not have you risking a ton of money only to lose to hands like KQ, KJ, K9, or even AK (it is still in his range).</p>
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