Comments on: A9o – Second Pair on the Turn http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/ Poker Coaching - Players Staking Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:41:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Marios (Administrator) http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-130 Marios (Administrator) Sat, 10 Oct 2009 18:46:54 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-130 I am on the CO with a decent stack (more than 30BBs) and I have to push them. About the other streets I have commented before. What do you think? :) ------------ jimsjoy... you are the "reader"! I am on the CO with a decent stack (more than 30BBs) and I have to push them.
About the other streets I have commented before.
What do you think? :)

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jimsjoy… you are the “reader”!

]]> By: Ady Miles http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-126 Ady Miles Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:07:30 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-126 First off, raising with A9o is not a good idea, unless you're on the BB or SB. Secondly, IMO calling such a raise on the Flop with a moderately weak Ace is another mistake. I wouldn't be in this position to begin with, but I put him all in as he is probably drawing to a Flush and you are probably ahead and also have quite a lot of outs First off, raising with A9o is not a good idea, unless you’re on the BB or SB. Secondly, IMO calling such a raise on the Flop with a moderately weak Ace is another mistake. I wouldn’t be in this position to begin with, but I put him all in as he is probably drawing to a Flush and you are probably ahead and also have quite a lot of outs

]]> By: jimsjoy http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-103 jimsjoy Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:20:43 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-103 weeee i called it right :) weeee i called it right :)

]]> By: JimD http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-102 JimD Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:56:01 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-102 So you are saying that you think he was drawing dead because he had A-rag? I think it is safe to say he did not have A2 or A3 because I think he would have stuck around in the hand but I do not think AT or even AJ is out of the question. You also say the you think he is on some type of draw, if he is on the flush draw then ok he is drawing dead because you block him with your Ace, but what if he is on some sort of straight draw? A4 or A5? He also could have a pocket pair there like 44 or 55. If he is on any of these he is not drawing dead, he might not have many outs (I think all the hands I said he has 2-4 cards he can hit if you remove the diamonds) but I still think you need to charge him for another card. Just think, what do you do on the river if a 4, 5, T, J, K comes that is not a diamond? I do not think you are very comfortable with any of those cards because they could mean you are beat right? This does not even account for the possibility that he has a random pocket pair like 77 or 88 that he could beat you with if he hits his trips. I think the scariest card for you would be a 4 or a 5 but even another 2 or 3 you are probably sad to see on the river too. Again, maybe you are right that you missed some value, maybe even a smaller raise would have been better but I certainly do think you need to have some sort of raise here. So you are saying that you think he was drawing dead because he had A-rag? I think it is safe to say he did not have A2 or A3 because I think he would have stuck around in the hand but I do not think AT or even AJ is out of the question. You also say the you think he is on some type of draw, if he is on the flush draw then ok he is drawing dead because you block him with your Ace, but what if he is on some sort of straight draw? A4 or A5? He also could have a pocket pair there like 44 or 55. If he is on any of these he is not drawing dead, he might not have many outs (I think all the hands I said he has 2-4 cards he can hit if you remove the diamonds) but I still think you need to charge him for another card.

Just think, what do you do on the river if a 4, 5, T, J, K comes that is not a diamond? I do not think you are very comfortable with any of those cards because they could mean you are beat right? This does not even account for the possibility that he has a random pocket pair like 77 or 88 that he could beat you with if he hits his trips. I think the scariest card for you would be a 4 or a 5 but even another 2 or 3 you are probably sad to see on the river too. Again, maybe you are right that you missed some value, maybe even a smaller raise would have been better but I certainly do think you need to have some sort of raise here.

]]> By: Marios (Administrator) http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-81 Marios (Administrator) Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:35:45 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-81 A raise on the flop would make me pot committed and I had a dominated Ace. The only reason I stayed in the hand was to see another card and maybe trap him. A raise on the flop would make me pot committed and I had a dominated Ace.
The only reason I stayed in the hand was to see another card and maybe trap him.

]]> By: Giovanni Sepe (writer) http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-80 Giovanni Sepe (writer) Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:16:48 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-80 nice raise.. but i think you should raise on the flop, so you would have more information about his hand... nice raise..

but i think you should raise on the flop, so you would have more information about his hand…

]]> By: Marios (Administrator) http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Marios (Administrator) Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:57:02 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-79 He was loose enough to make me believe he can go far with A-rag. I was sure (based on his stats and my reads) than I had the best hand and this guy was just chasing some thing like a draw and he tries to block-bet me or steal the pot (Yes I believe he could think like this). I raised all in and he folded instantly. I posted this hand because I think my sove there was a mistake. I had the best hand and this guy in my opinion was drawing dead! So... It was better not to scary him out of the hand and just call. :) He was loose enough to make me believe he can go far with A-rag.

I was sure (based on his stats and my reads) than I had the best hand and this guy was just chasing some thing like a draw and he tries to block-bet me or steal the pot (Yes I believe he could think like this).

I raised all in and he folded instantly.

I posted this hand because I think my sove there was a mistake.
I had the best hand and this guy in my opinion was drawing dead!
So… It was better not to scary him out of the hand and just call.

:)

]]> By: kim http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-69 kim Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:20:53 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-69 It is big in the young euro online scene (and i am guity of this too) to put in weak bet to incite a reraise (and also to call a raise preflop w any 2 cards). Believe me as I witnessed this live from seat 6 with ekly and kidpokerdj in seats 3 and 1 respectively. :) Again, my decision would totally depend on how BB has been playingand the read I get from him. There are too many hands that can beat you at this point. It is big in the young euro online scene (and i am guity of this too) to put in weak bet to incite a reraise (and also to call a raise preflop w any 2 cards). Believe me as I witnessed this live from seat 6 with ekly and kidpokerdj in seats 3 and 1 respectively. :) Again, my decision would totally depend on how BB has been playingand the read I get from him. There are too many hands that can beat you at this point.

]]> By: elpsnot http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-66 elpsnot Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:04:44 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-66 can you post also what our decision was??? or how the rest of the hand played out.Also i think if you call here knowing your ahead you can valu town rive rbig if he tries another little bluff can you post also what our decision was??? or how the rest of the hand played out.Also i think if you call here knowing your ahead you can valu town rive rbig if he tries another little bluff

]]> By: elpsnot http://www.poker-scholarship.com/2009/10/a9-second-pair-on-the-turn/comment-page-1/#comment-65 elpsnot Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:59:42 +0000 http://www.poker-scholarship.com/?p=516#comment-65 Bluff. I think, he is defending his blind prob cause he thinks your stealing. i put him on Ace crap kicker or air.(maybe two diamonds lol)His line makes sense for those hands until the turn which is just weird.Bets out at you for 600??? hes trying to tell you a story of i hit the flush on the turn. but why would he bet so small?to get value???its almost like a i got something like Kd and want to see this last card for cheap. Plus your getting odds to call with that crap bet he layed you.How many times have you seen someone check call flop and bet out on turn with flush draw when it hits?? everyone checks turn quick and river bets for value.i guess i would have to be there to see if he tanks a little bit on the turn.I would call his turn bet and make my decision on the river.Also lots of peeps shove flop flush draws when bet into. Really depends on player i think.Just a tough spot but i think you are leading in this hand. Bluff. I think, he is defending his blind prob cause he thinks your stealing. i put him on Ace crap kicker or air.(maybe two diamonds lol)His line makes sense for those hands until the turn which is just weird.Bets out at you for 600??? hes trying to tell you a story of i hit the flush on the turn. but why would he bet so small?to get value???its almost like a i got something like Kd and want to see this last card for cheap. Plus your getting odds to call with that crap bet he layed you.How many times have you seen someone check call flop and bet out on turn with flush draw when it hits?? everyone checks turn quick and river bets for value.i guess i would have to be there to see if he tanks a little bit on the turn.I would call his turn bet and make my decision on the river.Also lots of peeps shove flop flush draws when bet into. Really depends on player i think.Just a tough spot but i think you are leading in this hand.

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